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Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole
(which doesn't exist. What they mean is end all private sales. ) and making guns in this country childproof. "keep them locked away" They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. Surprise Surprise

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

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That didn't take long!! :rant: Of course, I'm not surprised. :banghead:

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WOW!! Whodah thunk a couple of freedom lovers like them would do that eh? Garbage in the White House, Garbage out of the White House.

I'm pretty sure all who love the final destruction of freedom are happy today. America is barely a shadow of it's former self. Sad Days.

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Prepare to bend over and open wide, they will be hitting the 2A from every direction.

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1 out of every 2 threads on GIM is pissing me off tonight. I laid off the beer Sun and Mon because I overdid it on Sat., but guess what I'm doing now.

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Oh, and thanks for checking it out TN, you the man, as always.

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he can dump as much money as he wants in to the inner city's it won't do one bit of good.

they won't take away my Mosin-Nagant's will they

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Yep, that same thing was up on his change.gov site right after the election. It got removed after just a couple of days... I guess they didn't want to let the cat out of the bag too soon, but some staffer messed up.

I just hope he's too busy dealing with other issues to actually try to push this crap through. Of course, getting this stuff implemented is up to Congress... all Obama has to do is sign the bills.

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The new AG will do all the dirty work.

You Tube

You Tube

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What a friggen a ho. All I can say is MOLON LABE M F.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) � President Barack Obama's new administration ordered all federal agencies and departments on Tuesday to stop any pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff, halting last-minute Bush orders in their tracks.


Controversial late rules by the outgoing Bush administration include allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in some national parks

That did not last long

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I predict there will be a rash of school shootings to get their agenda through.
MK ultra type victims.

Also they will just make everyone criminals. Criminals can't own guns you know....

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My Yankee bros. keep saying Canada is going to be the next state. I think the US is going to be the 11th province..lol

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Canada will be free-er than the US by the time black jesus is done.

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This was under a section called "Urban Policy",

"Address Gun Violence in Cities:"

I can hope that it will not effect us "country folk", we are far from "urban", but I will not be surprised if it is all encompassing. Punish all, for the actions of others. Sad state of affairs!

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Those boys have a Big, Huge, agenda for all of us.!

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You missed the best part down at the bottom. As I've said all along, their WILL BE NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE ALLOWED.

YOU WILL TURN ALL YOUR GUNS IN. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

At least that's what THEY think.

Address Gun Violence in Cities:

Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

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Well, I don't give a fvck what they 'think' - that's not the law no matter how it gets approved.

Under an ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN - preban weapons are NOT affected.

What you mean by 'Grandfather' is in reality the 'SUNSET CLAUSE' or expiry of the Ban itself which won't be in this one.

NOW, under due process of law ANY bill can be proposed but let's see what ACTUALLY gets passed.

I'm not going to Panic.........and I'm holding my ground.

Stick it out ~ there's lots of fighting ahead of this.

It's still America the last time I checked. usflag

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CLARIFICATION :

WALLEW - I'm not trying to discredit what you say because H.R. 6257 does contain verbage that does NOT include a Grandfather Clause.

However, this Bill even if re-introduced will not pass unamended in this state.

Futhermore,
This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257

I'm NOT saying to trust Washington, but there are a few including lobbyists paid by the NRA and/or GOA on our side.

It'll be a FIGHT though.

:wink:

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I'll have to disagree that this won't pass as it sits.

Of course I've ALSO DISAGREED with way too many people who said THIS WON'T EVER HAPPEN at all. THERE WILL BE NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. And no, that's not some kind of expiration date. What I MEAN by a grandfather clause is that as soon as this law is effective you WON'T be able to own any firearm on that list. And that's MOST OF THEM. Not you won't be able to buy or sell them. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO OWN THEM. As in 'turn them in'. If you do not, you will go to jail. Just like in England. Just like in Australia.

So guess what.

W R O N G

I can't make it any plainer than that. So many here thought that this would never happen. Guess what? It's taken ONE DAY for this to be made public.

So how long before you think this will be passed into law? How long before this law is made effective? Immediately is the answer to both those questions.

The Democrats are literally falling all over themselves to pass legislation they've waited years or decades to pass. And the Republicans CAN'T do anything about it. Not even filibuster, because the Dems basically have a super majority in both houses. And 'da one' WILL SIGN ALL LEGISLATION PUT IN FRONT OF HIM WITH A HUGE SMILE ON HIS FACE.

So while many of you here want to sit back and wait and watch, listen carefully and you can hear the music cueing up - "whatcha gonna do when they come for you... (Bad Boys, Bad boys... fade to black - literally)".

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So, what are you proposing?

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Ok, I respect your opinion ~ and I hope to hell it never happens.

I will, however, start planning accordingly but am not going to get discouraged on 'WHAT-IF' scenarios that have yet to happen.

:confused_ma:

Based on your argument, I need to SELL all my Assault weapons NOW and purchase hunting rifles only.

IN other words >> STOP STOCKING UP & QUIT BUYING you fools !!!

Is that the message you're supporting ?!?!? :banghead:

:bawling:

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WAIT ! ~ STOP ~ HOLD the press !!!!

Ha, ha - there ya go............GRANDFATHERED BABY !

:10_1_20:

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TAD,
Look at the phrase again. It says 'LAWFULLY OWNED' - which to law makers means LEO's and military ONLY.

So I'm going to be real clear here.

I've said for some time that we are about to enter into some very dark days for the American public.

The socialists are ready to turn this country over to the UN. This is but the first step.

It will most likely end up that in the major 135 cities that house 95% of the population, crack downs WILL occur. Will house to house searches start tomorrow?

I doubt it. But note they are going to remove the law that gives law enforcement the one legal barrier to looking into all those 4473's that tell them exactly who bought what. Not that it's that tough. If anyone thinks the NCIS every got rid of one record of one transaction of ANY firearm sold SINCE that background check was put into place, I've got a great bridge for sale in NYC.

Folks, I've said this many time. WE ARE ABOUT TO GET SCREWED.

If you love freedom. If you love what our country used to be. You have exactly two choices.

Draw your line in the sand and don't back up worth a damn, because our backs ARE against the wall. This is YOUR (and my) ALAMO.

OR, just give up, give in and stand in line as da gubmint hands out free cheese and decides who gets what. Oh, make sure you've made up your mind on where you want your new rfid to be placed. Hand or forehead.

It may not occur until his THIRD term, but yes, it will be for our own good and protection. But it IS coming.

I absolutely hate this. But I've got no better answers than any of you. I just SEE WHAT'S COMING. Stand and fight. Run and fight. JUST RUN. Hell, I don't know WHAT to tell anyone. Because trust me, we are about to see the 'living document' that the socialist consider an 'inconvienent' stumbling block to either be removed or completely ignored (like the SCOTUS ruling on firearms in DC).

And short of an armed revolution, I don't see anything any of us can actually do about it. No, I'm NOT proposing an armed revolution.

I guess we can all hope that the economy craters so quickly and things go to hell in a handbasket so rapidly that this group of people won't get the chance to implent this BECAUSE of the failed economy.

Like I said, I've got no solutions that are good ones. If anyone has one, I'd LOVE to hear about it.

I know, let's move to Paraguay. Seems like the thing to do in these coming bad times?

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I found a badass site that has the Molon Labe hats for $15 each plus shipping. I got one in black with red lettering coming, along with some bumper stickers and from another site I have a "Don't Tread On Me" Gadsden flag coming.

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Nope, all my guns are currently LAWFULLY OWNED, so think again.
I'm not saying that can't change, but you're a bit on the fear-mongering side............although everyone here should be well prepped for the WORST and I mean that with all sincerity.

Now, what's the plan Wallew ?

Should we sell all our Assault weapons now and reap profits while we still can ???

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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TAD,
Legally owned means what ever a POLITICIAN wants it to mean. Not what you and I think it should mean. Not what it ACTUALLY, LEGALLY MEANS.

Because BHO's only piece of legislation he sponsored was for the USA to turn it's soverignty over to the UN. We were to GIVE UP all small and light arms. We WILL sign the Kyoto Treaty (no more manufacturing HERE - just new 'green' technology companies). WE WILL ADHERE TO THE UN'S BIODIVERSITY TREATY (no privately owned property outside the top 135 cities, because it 'interfere's' with nature). Plus several other things.

THIS WILL HAPPEN. The Reps can't stop it and that assumes they even want to stop it.

And no, I've got no ideas because most people WANT DA GUBMINT to support them in one way or another.

Most here will say neigh, not I. But even I file my income taxes. Take whatever puny deductions I can and whine about how much money the gubmint steals from my hard earned wages (OK, I'm retired and don't make tons of money any more, but you know what I mean).

We are screwed. No one is willing to give up what they have 'for the better good'. And by the time they are, it will be too late. Which is EXACTLY what TPTB are counting on.

Because otherwise, WE DA PIPPLE would have started hanging these bastard from light posts YEARS AGO. Hasn't happened. WON'T HAPPEN.

SIGH, I think I'm going to start drinking again (I quit over thirty years ago) and I might even take up smoking again (I quite 18 years ago)...

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NOPE, legally is what is deemed 'legal' under 'law' in a court of law. Period.

Even politicians are NOT above the law, let's let the court decide that. We do have 3 branches of Gov't still.

Elective - Legislative - Judicial

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Oh and one more thing...........when the all else fails.......

http://www.red-alerts.com/wp-content...abe-bikini.jpg

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TAD,
REALLY?

So how's that SCOTUS decision working out for all those folks in DC? Memory serves me correctly, the POLITICIANS in DC IGNORED the ruling and are still enforcing the DC weapons ban.

I could be mistaken, but that's what I've read and talked to people who live there tell me.

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the 3 million in dc yesterday was small if they try this shit

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The bumper stickers where of a US flag, but the type of design you would see on a soldiers arm with the reverse colors in green and black. What I need are some "Obama is the Devil" stickers and to place those on some cars of some neighbors who I hate and see what happens to their cars.


The Don't Tread On Me flag will hang off my balcony with pride though.


I still don't believe the Dems and Barky will be able to touch much this year because the economy is about to ****ing burn.

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You got me there - but I don't live in DC and for good reason. :tongue_ma:

But I thought it was the POLICE that enforced the laws.........maybe it's different in Washington.

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That is EXACTLY why they are going to move quickly

Having over 200 million+ guns and a massive loss of wealth due to Wall Street pilfering dose not bode well for those who are in power.

Expect to see something happen in the first 100 days.


T

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GIVE THAT MAN A CEEGAR! We have a winnah.

And it's more like 400 million guns (yes I did see the +), owned by somewhere around 95 - 100 million gun owners.

And I'd like to address something said in one of the other threads about this. That was we all like to talk about taking on the LEO's and winning. The implication is that can't happen.

Check out the numbers. Many of us WILL DIE in the process if this starts. Because a lot of us just won't 'go quietly'. But again, the reason 'law and order' works is because LEO's EXPECT YOU to obey them. When that goes out the window, when every time one of them sets foot outside their home they are shot at, those numbers mean diddly.

You will know we are in 'SHTF' times when LEO's won't go out in less than squad (12 minimum) numbers. When it gets really bad, THEY WON'T GO OUT AT ALL. They will be holed up just like the rest of us, hoping and wishing for better days.

For some reason I can't get the really OLD SONG 'Happy days are here again' out of my head. Strange if you think about it. NO, I don't WANT this to happen. But perhaps, I do. We've been seeing this coming for so long, now that it is about to occur, many of us who have been made fun of, the butt of many a joke, etc will be proven right. And that's REALLY DEPRESSING. Because TS just HTF as far as I'm concerned.

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Well, after visiting the official 'District of Columbia' website, here are the local law and ordinances in regards to firearms.



There ya have it - they're citizens can have guns.
:wink:

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Here's the legal version in case you don't believe me.

http://dc.gov/mayor/pdf/showpdf.asp?...2008_Final.pdf

:tongue_ma:

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UH, ... TWO THINGS... OK, actually just John Stewart on Joe Biden talking about HIS guns and if Obama comes for them. Lying @sshats.

http://www.wimp.com/stupidbiden/

OH, and Beretta DOES make shotguns...

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I may be wrong - but that 400 mill figure may even be dated-

Think about how many firearms have been picked up in the last 6 months....

I'd be curious about THAT # as well.

And Wallew...

Regarding your comments on LEO's. From where I'm sitting- The only ones I have to fear are the FEDS and the blue helmets.

Our local LEO's ( I know many of them personally) are either locked and loaded standin' shoulder to shoulder with me on the edge of town keeping out that scum when they come..
or plain yella pvssies - which will be of no consequence. (a few of those in every bunch)

I'm thinkin that my neck of the woods aint the only one in that position.

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Dam I hope your right .

We need to hear stuff like that.


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My brother is a cop.

No way would he confiscate guns.

I know his cop friends too and they won't do it.

They don't like Obama either.

Of course, there are a few "bad apples" in every police department
that will confiscate but I'd bet it's a small minority of A-Holes.

Be ready guys, the OBAMA Blitzkrieg is here!

These DEVILS are going to RAM-ROD as many Anti-American /
Anti-Freedom law through Congress as possible.

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Think it will be FOREIGN TROOPS doing the round ups( Canadian and Mexican)


IMO
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I think they will have the entire Bill drafted and ready. Then when the civil disorder starts, he will go on TV and say something like:

"Due to the tragic deaths in recent events, and in order to protect our citizens from this senseless and ever increasing gun violence, it is obvious that drastic measures must be taken. Therefore we must embrace the new "Safe America" gun Bill. These are desparate times we live in and we can't afford to endlessly debate the second amendment while our children are dying in the street. We need a Safe America, you deserve a Safe America!"

or something like that. Then in thunderous applause, most will embrace this "common sense" Bill. That's my take.

SJ

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+1000000000
good advice. dont be a visible target.

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how many troops do you think we have up here ? still laughing . . .


Blackwater quietly expanding its reach

Most people know the basic facts behind the story of Blackwater, the private security firm that has profited so handsomely from the war in Iraq.

They may have read a few facts about how that mercenary organization was started by a phenomenally rich multimillionaire inheritance baby named Erik Prince.

For decades, Prince's daddy wooed all of his political friends by spreading millions of dollars around to conservative think-tanks and ultra-right religious organizations that helped shape the now floundering neo-con revolution.

Today, the Prince family's private army numbers about 25,000 strong. They have their own inventory of aircraft, tanks, helicopter gunships, amphibious assault craft and ammunition stashes that rival the armies of many Third World countries.

Soldiers enlisted in the U.S. military get paid about $70 a day to put themselves in harm's way, while Mr. Prince's private soldier gets about $1,500 a day for facing the same risks.

The number of Prince-family mercenaries has mushroomed in these last eight years. All of them know they cannot be court-martialed when they break the law. And to this day, the lawyers for the Prince-family soldiers are still arguing that these mercenaries can't be prosecuted under traditional criminal and civil U.S. statutes.

Dwight Eisenhower made it clear on numerous occasions that no military machine should ever be allowed to gain independent, unchecked power in America. Eisenhower developed his fears of unchecked military power at a time that he could not even visualize an entity as creepy and unregulated as this Prince private army.

Private armies were rare in the United States during Eisenhower's service as a soldier. And that was at a time when America's public military had shown that it was capable of winning two world wars without the help of American mercenaries.

As you might expect, the congressmen and advocacy groups that are trying to shut Blackwater down are being branded as un-American, unpatriotic liberals by the Prince-family loyalists. But they would need to roll Eisenhower into that list of unpatriotic objectors.

They would also need to add the names of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to their list of un-American types. Both of them warned us about the unchecked expansion of a military of any kind, public or private.

Washington put it this way: "Overgrown military establishments under any form of government are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."

As I write this column, Blackwater is using part of the billion-plus dollars it has been paid � in mostly no-bid contracts � to expand what it calls its domestic operations division.

That part of Prince's private army will be able to defy the 130-year-old policy of posse comitatus that says a standing military may not carry out active operations on U.S. soil.

More than a few of those so called un-American members of Congress have voiced concerns that Blackwater has reached a level of overgrown and unchecked power that makes it capable of overpowering the military of many of the world's governments.

Blackwater spokesmen tell us that their mercenaries operate under a pledge of strict loyalty and patriotism. But take time to follow the story about this mercenary group, and you will wonder who or what entity actually benefits from that loyalty pledge.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090121/OPINION/901210303

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yup - forgot about them...

Good article.

I hadn't heard about the Dom-OPS Div... guess that's what they employed in N'awlins

that's chilling.

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This is what we will be facing when the times comes.

Act accordingly.


T

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I am trying to figure out what there is left to fight for. Seriously - the whole thing is fubar. At this point I might trade my guns for a tropical beach. I think plenty of other single guys will ask themselves the same thing.

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I wouldn't lose too much sleep over BW. I know more than a few contractors who will be on the right side when the lines become (more clearly) drawn. Its one thing to make a shitload of money waging war in some far away country, it's another thing to do it back here at home. Just like LEO/Mil, there are always some bad apples who uncharacteristically define the whole.

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It ain't.

I see Blackwater as a fed thing, so you're statement still applies.

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I'm not "giving up" tbh. I think that was done by the previous generations and the system has all of the control now - beyond repair. Fighting to maintain rights and freedoms is noble - but for me, I see it as denial of what the whole thing has become.

Those who say "the whole thing must fall apart / be destroyed", I agree with now.

There are now places outside of the US that are far more attractive than fighting for the "American Dream". I'm taxed out and tired of working to support this system - the same system that is preventing me from ever seeing a time where I can truly be free.

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By that logic...and your famous prediction of 2009 being the year this shit burns...

We won't have to hide for very long, will we? I'm willing to play run-around for a year....Tying up resources...and generally being an ambiguous prick...

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Things are starting to fall apart fast - we are seeing CA nad NY borrowing for unemployment all the while unemployment is spiraling out of control. Everyone is starting to know families who are losing their jobs - and we are talking families who are only months away from homlessness or living with other families and parents. Everyone is talking about it - everywhere.

We are seeing the UK on the brink of financial chaos - China is most likely closing in on uprising as well - the US could unwind any day...Russia is a mess. Things are approaching much faster than most people believe they could happen - myself included. I am doubting things will hold together through the summer of 09 - at this pace.

Any day a major war could break out - or a major society thrown into darkness - there really seems to be no way to avoid any of this now.

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